Wyclef Jean Talks 'Carnival III,' Donald Trump & If He Regrets Running for President in Haiti
Wyclef Jean turned a summer Friday in the Hamptons into a private fiesta for the celebration of his forthcoming album
Carnival III: Road to Clefication. The former
Fugees
frontman sported an elaborate white headdress while pounding on the
drums and mingling with his guests, a mix of journalists, tastemakers,
Heads Music label reps and guests of the lavish Hamptons mansion owners,
before performing a late-night set that included his feel-good dance
number "My Girl" featuring Sasha Mari.
Attendees zoned out to
Carnival III with
individual headphones, either laying out poolside or flocking to the
private beach. Beyond "My Girl," Jean strummed his pain and joy with
songs like "Hendrix," his latest single that tackles the temptations of a
rock-star lifestyle; "Rich Girl," an infectious tune co-starring
Pusha T; "Thank
God for the Culture," a soulful thank you to hip-hop; and the uplifting
finale "Carry On." After the sunny listening session,
Billboard sat
down with Jean to discuss his early carnival memories, current events,
his stance on Trump and that time he ran for president in Haiti.
Describe your first memory attending a carnival.
[My] first
memory of a carnival is a place of escape. My first actual carnival as a
kid was in Coney Island, Brooklyn. People think he's from the West
Indies, but no, it's like my first memory -- when you come to America
and go to a carnival. It's like being in a magical world as a kid. I saw
a lot of clowns, people on stilts and circus women. I went on a roller
coaster, I saw people on stilts. I saw the circus women and the girls
flipping. I wanted to flip them then I wanted to go to gymnastics after
that.
What is it about a carnival that made it a muse for your music?
The
carnival is a space where it doesn't have a cover and it can't be
linked to any form of music. It's an eclectic zone of costumes, culture
and people altogether. For example, Mexico and Cinco De Mayo, you
attribute that. If you could actually take footage from all places in
the world and put them together, it would still equal "carnival" because
that's a place where there's no color. It just is.
What was different about making Carnival III versus your previous two offerings?
I dropped the ball on
Carnival II. I
felt it could've been bigger because I was getting into politics. I was
starting to shift away from music for a minute. So after I did
"Sweetest Girl," I shifted into [running for president of] Haiti. I
think with
Carnival I, there was definitely a focus -- my picture of how I see the world. With
Carnival III, it was like the world back to
Clefication. It
was like I saw all roots leading back to music. After everything I've
been through, it's like music still has that power to heal. Then it just
pours out naturally because it's the whole undertone of a
carnival. Marvin Gaye had the song "What's Going On" and the whole thing
with this album, it felt like where's the love? People forgot we're
supposed to be having a good time with all this killing and everything.
Did you feel like you needed to make an uplifting album because of the tragedies being covered in the news?
In
a non-calculated way, I just felt like we have to uplift ourselves. I'm
tired of people saying, "Oh, somebody just got killed. Somebody has
cancer." Even the person with cancer is like, "Sing me an uplifting
song!" So the idea of this [album] is definitely uplifting but at the
same time it still reminds... Like the last song of the album is called
"Carry On." No matter what we do, we gotta carry on. And then on the
bonus track "Hey Joe," I'm singing, "Hey Joe, where you goin with that
gun?" And it's still like, yo, this is reality, and we can't run from
realities -- we gotta spread them. I just felt like I wanted to make
music to make you escape for a second.
Do you feel music is going in the direction that it should be?
I
look at my daughter -- she's 11. She listens to Wyclef and inspired "My
Girl" but at the same time, she listens to [Desiigner's] "Panda" and
knows every lyric. She listens to Coldplay and knows Coldplay. I just
think what happens is when people like us are on our trail and we're
coming back and we say we wanna do another album for the generation, the
key is to do something so when Desiigner hears it, he gets inspired; so
when Chance the Rapper hears it, he gets inspired; so when Drake hears
it, they get inspired, because they grew up loving the sport.
When
people like us from the '90s decide that we're gonna come back, we have
to be like, "You don't have to change who you are -- you can still be
you." Like on "Hendrix," dudes like yo, he trappin' on guitar, Clef
sounds like Future with no Auto-Tune or it's like Future sounds like
Clef with Auto-Tune. It opens the conversation for the kids.
Why did you place Pusha T on "Rich Girl"?
I'm
a big fan of Pusha T. Pusha T is like Miles Davis to me -- the rap
is just raw and real. It's new with the
trumpet as you hear it [on the
song]. I wanted to put that contrast with his voice, and the contrast
just sounded incredible.
Listening to your album, it
feels like you were making a lot of music for a special bae, like "For A
Man." Do you always feel the need to cater to women when you make
music?
Always! I mean that's a must. I come from a woman
-- she's first. A woman is beautiful, she's always gotta hear that
she's the one and you have to pay that acknowledgment. It's just, as a
man, it's important. Men need to hear certain things too. I be talking
for the dudes too that wanna hear something, but you know, the record
"For A Man" is just telling women like yeah, you are doing the right
thing. It's cool to be doing things for your man -- live for your man,
die for your man, love your man, hire a stripper, put a pole in the
middle, spend that money, get your freak goin', so you can remix it.
One
line from your album that stuck out was "Where I'm from, the good die
young." Was there a specific incident, whether it was the recent Orlando
shootings or police brutality cases across America, that made you head
straight to the studio?
I'm always in the studio. You get
inspired at certain moments, though. I would say a lot of different
moments.
When I saw what was going on in Baltimore, I went in and knew I
had to do something. What's going on in Orlando, even just the gator
story, and before that, the gorilla story, it's deep because you see all
of that debate and talk.
I'm a nerd and thought I was gonna be a
judge but when you see the talk about the gorilla and then they had to
take the gorilla out, it was a sad thing but if that gorilla had gotten
scared in, he would've smashed that kid's brains out in seconds.
We have
all of these things happening in the world ... The shootings -- there's
no words for that. We've seen
it countless times, over and over again,
on Obama's watch. I'm like one of those very militant and realist
[people].
I don't have any facade or hype -- it's just me. I understand
gun control is very important but at the same time, it scares me because
I think the mercenaries already have the guns and that they hide them
in their basements somewhere.
I see so many cowardly acts where so many
innocent people are constantly caught out there with no firearms or no
nothing.
That makes me emotional because what happens if I'm in my
crib and somebody just popped up on me, which these days is the number
one possibility.
Cowards like to approach people like that. That's why
they're cowards. I just think we need more love in the world, and at the
same time, we're approaching dangerous times. And during dangerous
times, we gotta stick together.
What do you remember about running for president in Haiti? Do you regret that? Do you feel like you could've done more?
I
never regret anything because you know they say whatever don't kill
you, make you stronger. I did shake Mandela's hand. I spent time with
him. When people saw me with the Fugees wrapping that [Haitian] flag
around me, I wasn't another rapper that wanted to speak from an
emotional place. It's that same energy that made me feel like I could
run for president. When I decided I was gonna run, I was gonna win when
they did the data analytics. They used every power they could possibly
restore to take me out. This is not Kanye saying one man having all that
power -- it's not a song, not in pop culture. I'm one man who had all
that power for real, like with one button, I could explode the country
with five million Haitians with guns ready to blow up the place for
whatever I say but I understood that the true ideology is not to let
your ego get in the way. Egos will destroy mankind so I never did it for
myself -- I did it for the people. If you do something for someone, you
can't be mad if they throw rocks at you or they take you to a cross,
you already accepted that they were gonna do that. You keep your eyes
open and you await the resurrection because you already know it was over
for yourself. Everything that I do for my people, I was doing for my
people. At the end of the day, I just want the youth to get their share
-- free education and the opportunity to work.
Who are you voting for in this crazy 2016 election?
Bernie
Sanders had the right message. The youth just have to be reminded that
they the ones with the power and that's what Bernie reminded us of. [In
2015], people were saying, "Yo, you were dissing Trump on stage" and I
say no I wasn't dissing Trump, I was just making my political voice
heard. I could never be in a position to support someone who thinks a
minority group of people are all a certain way, because once you do
that, you're targeting me, you're targeting Mexicans, you're targeting
all of us. The reason the
United States of America, the land of immigrants, is so
special is because it takes all of us together and we become America.
Everyone can see at this point that Trump is just an egomaniac. We
definitely gotta make sure that we vote.
You've also been working hand-in-hand with Heads Music and Heads Audio.
I'm
just excited about this new label and all the young artists
on Heads Music. Also, while you're listening to my album, you're hearing
different sound effects through a software that I'm building called
Super stereo. Heads [Audio] has partnered up with creative technology
in labs out of Singapore. This is crazy shit, so me, scientists and the
head of Creative Labs, we got together. I was crazy and wanted to take
everything that was stereo and turn it to Super stereo. One day, a man
said we gonna take black and white TV and turn it into color. Another
man comes out and says, "I wanna take color and turn it into high
def." That's what I was doing with sound. I also got with [Heads
CEO] Madeline Nelson and her thing was to build artist development from
scratch. She has all these incredible artists, and so I came and was
like, "Look, partner up with me on my software and we can do this! This
music is gonna be your Smokey Robinson." And she said, "Oh, that means
you'll sign to the label!"